ADCC referee Eduardo Crema interview

WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.439 --> 00:00:04.799 Talking about the fights last night. Did you get to watch? Yes, 2 00:00:04.919 --> 00:00:10.160 sir, I lost the parley thanks to Peter. Yeah, brow me to 3 00:00:10.599 --> 00:00:14.640 Ah me too. The well, you know what, like I lost it 4 00:00:14.679 --> 00:00:17.800 in the fight before going to stick on Gilbert because I was like I just 5 00:00:17.839 --> 00:00:20.679 didn't want to go against him, you know, and I thought he was 6 00:00:20.719 --> 00:00:23.440 gonna pull it off for a while, you know, but I mean, 7 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:27.120 I was playing the odds. So, but it was a good vibe. 8 00:00:27.719 --> 00:00:30.600 You know, the thing about bending in the UFC side, you got to 9 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:33.280 pick the dark horse, right. It's like who's going to make you money? 10 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:36.039 Yeah, if not, it had, it's not, it's not worth 11 00:00:36.119 --> 00:00:43.159 it. So I definitely I had Gilbert and one of my parlay's because I 12 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:47.000 know it's going to be close, like it was. But my second parley, 13 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:52.039 which was like my safe one, quote unquote, with Peter in it, 14 00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:57.240 and I had outside on it. And then the minute that third round 15 00:00:57.240 --> 00:01:03.239 happened and Ali Yo got had his back, I was like fuck, yeah, 16 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:07.760 I already knew. Yeah, man, I thought like you know where 17 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:11.599 he could lose, you could just try ash that second round, but don't 18 00:01:11.680 --> 00:01:15.719 let it happen again. And then what happens in the third round. freaking 19 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:19.120 happen again. Man, correct, Dude. Honestly, it put you know 20 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:23.879 good at all. Gio Prom trying to set this up, but I can't 21 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:26.200 make a good angle. But yeah, man, good on here. They'll 22 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:30.319 be like he he busted a lot of haters, you know, mean like 23 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:34.200 my I want a good man. Thought he was gonna get destroy yeah, 24 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:37.920 I'll me too, man. I saw nothing in that first fight that would 25 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:40.799 that led me to believe he'd be able to do anything like he did last 26 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:42.840 night. So shout out to him, for sure. Man, he what 27 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:47.159 you know? The thing he kept saying that I was hurt. I was 28 00:01:47.239 --> 00:01:52.599 hurt, and a man he was. I mean surgery, look creme and 29 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:57.120 yeah, he look way better. Did you see him in the way INS 30 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:00.799 that dude like muscles were running your rip out of his body. Man, 31 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:04.959 he was in shape. He was ready to go. Dre You know what's 32 00:02:04.959 --> 00:02:12.280 funny is like ADCC winner, Tim Kenio, he made thanking your look back 33 00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:15.439 when he's right. So he beat King, you know. So I knew 34 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:20.000 he was for real, but I just didn't know he had it. Hey, 35 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:23.240 I'm not gonna lie, mad respect, you know, I lost my 36 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:25.319 parley, but you know, I probably bet against him next time. Not 37 00:02:25.319 --> 00:02:30.680 gonna lie down, man. Yeah, he already called out Cuz I don't 38 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:34.680 know if he saw, but he called out TJ. Yeah, no, 39 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:38.759 I didn't, and Tus you get. Yeah, it should be TJ and 40 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:43.719 they the winner gets Peter Again, you know. Yep. Yeah. And 41 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:46.639 then, I mean San Hagan's in there. He's going to be hanging on. 42 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:51.479 He's going to be seeing who wins what whatever. You might get the 43 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:55.639 loser of TJ and Alio. So I mean all those guys were sick. 44 00:02:55.639 --> 00:03:00.759 Man. Six, six, yeah, it was a good, good old 45 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:02.919 night of fights. And Yeah, I'm the guy. I'm out to catch 46 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:06.840 it. I was at the giants game, so I didn't get back in 47 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:09.000 time to capcify. It's not been wrong with that opening weekend, right, 48 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:13.960 YEP, Yep. Yeah, yeah, guys. And while, though, 49 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:16.479 I'm just going to be asking questions about, like the event itself. You 50 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:21.840 know, a lot of people talking about they don't understand the rules. Dude. 51 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:27.159 We were standing next to some guys on day two that had competed on 52 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:30.639 day one and they were asking me questions. They didn't even understand the rules. 53 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:36.120 So I there's a a lot of questions that are super simple to answer. 54 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:38.400 That I mean if you just paid attention to the rules sheet or went 55 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:43.520 to the rules meeting. I'm sure you guys Veri fight all this, but 56 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:46.360 that's all. And then I just to talk about some of the matches and 57 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:49.639 then anything you want to talk about, whenever you want. Brother, absolutely 58 00:03:49.800 --> 00:04:11.439 absolutely got your bro this is the motivation, everybody. Welcome to another episode 59 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:14.000 of you do. That's coast to coast, to podcast that talks about what's 60 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:16.199 important on and off the mats. So glad you all could join us for 61 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:20.240 this special episode. I have been so pumped for this because we got our 62 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:27.680 man back fresh off the biggest ADCC trials of all time. Ladies and Gentlemen, 63 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:31.319 please welcome ATCC referee and the water look, Gamma and waterlow. Welcome 64 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:34.560 back to the Jiujit theid on neighborhood, my brother. How you doing and 65 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:39.959 how did Vegas treat you can't complain. Thanks. Thanks to be back on 66 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:44.680 this. It's fun. Just had a great time. Learned a lot. 67 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:48.639 I think I'm a better raft and JIU Jitsu dude afterwards. Just seeing so 68 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:53.000 many winners in one place. You know, just your feet off of that 69 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:56.480 so being good. Dude. That's what we were seeing. I said, 70 00:04:56.519 --> 00:05:00.160 you know what, just being in the building like by levels, it's a 71 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:02.160 feeling, that vibe, dude, it was. It was just an awesome 72 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:04.720 experience for everybody out there. If you did not get a chance to go 73 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:09.079 to the trials, and there's still a chance to go to the big show 74 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:12.399 coming up in September, so grab your ticket while you can. You will 75 00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:15.920 not, you will not regret it, I promise you. Right, guys, 76 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:21.759 training this week was fire. Just just thinking about these guys, right, 77 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:26.079 it was just, yes, thinking about these guys doing it. It 78 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:29.279 was awesome. Yes, yes, you, you hit the nail right on 79 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:32.519 the head. Onezero percent, man, that's all the right home. All 80 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:36.399 every day this last week we've just been so pumpy, just been so excited 81 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:41.120 to just be on the mats no matter what. So if we got to 82 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:44.480 share the match with you this last week, we appreciate you all. Correct. 83 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:47.399 So and what? Well, let's let's freaking jump into these questions, 84 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:53.399 Bro people have been chomping at the bits. People have questions, people didn't 85 00:05:53.480 --> 00:06:00.720 understand. And what do you think it is about ADCC that people may not 86 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:06.240 understand the rules? So couple things to that question. A SI's been around 87 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:12.000 for a long, long time, so it's it's not like it's new to 88 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:17.199 to wonder about rules. It's just that we understand now that it's super more 89 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:23.399 mainstream, more of you know, quote unquote, the Olympics of our sport. 90 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:28.639 So the fact that people don't look at the rules when they compete lets 91 00:06:28.680 --> 00:06:30.879 me to believe that you just doing it just for the Instagram Post. Bro 92 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:35.120 All, like the guys that win, the gals that win have plans. 93 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:39.839 They know what they're coming into. Okay, I have a good wrestler, 94 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:42.759 this is what I'm going to do, or I have somebody with a great 95 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:46.360 guard and great leglow game. This is what I'm going to do. It's 96 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:54.319 very specific. People move with like assertiveness. It's just a step progress to 97 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:57.920 it. It's two different matches. If you think about it, you're doing 98 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:02.639 something that's no points and then points right, it's divided into so it's two 99 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:09.199 different matches for every single opponent you have. So it's very intricated. Absolutely, 100 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:12.560 there's a lot of leeway for us rafts and then judges, and again 101 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:15.439 I'm just the RAFF. The judges are the ones that give your points. 102 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:20.199 So guys and and they look up when they do something. It's like, 103 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:24.000 dude, this is not I bejf, this is not something else. You 104 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:26.839 don't look up with the raft and ware for your points. The points come 105 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:30.360 from the table. So they don't understand that and I'm like, why would 106 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:32.839 you sign up something you don't understand? Read the rules, do the REF 107 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:36.519 meeting. With that said, you know who's are the REF meetings. Gordon 108 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:44.600 Ryan, his guys, boom be team. So these guys know the rules 109 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:47.959 and they're still there. You know, it's one of those things. This 110 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:50.120 is like, if you want to win, do what the winners do, 111 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:55.399 you know, I mean it's not Rocka Science, it's not anything like that. 112 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:59.720 Just do what the winners are doing. Go listen and this is what 113 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:01.720 it is, you know. But yeah, I hope that answer that question. 114 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:05.800 Yeah, definitely, man, there there's no secret there. And you 115 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:09.000 know what, I'm feeling super bad right now because I'm the worst cohost ever. 116 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:13.800 I didn't introduce my cousin, who we celebrated the whole weekend with. 117 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:18.199 Cuz, how you doing today? Man, it's all right because I'm glad 118 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:22.120 you remember me out here, the little man on the Totem Pole. No, 119 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:26.000 I'm good, man, I'm really good answering questions. I'm sorry, 120 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:31.399 because I know you're super excited about this. Now, it's okay. I 121 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:35.120 know you're super excited about this and you know we've been talking about this for 122 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:39.279 a while and yeah, you know, we're like like cousin Frank said, 123 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:43.919 we were pumped at in vegans like day one. We got there kind of 124 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:46.480 you know, what do we expect? What is this going to be like? 125 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:50.120 And they energies just started flowing from that day, day to we just 126 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:54.039 built up on top of that and it, like you guys said, we've 127 00:08:54.080 --> 00:09:00.440 just been riding that wave consistently since then, like pump motivated. Seeing everyone 128 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:05.120 out there like totally motivated, brought like got you know, I can't speak 129 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:07.320 for frank, but I know we've, you know, kind of talked a 130 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:11.759 little bit about it. But just, you know, not just going to 131 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:16.440 Jiu Jitsu, but changing and focusing things outside of Jiu Jitsu to focus in 132 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:18.639 on where our goals are, where we want to be, you know, 133 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:22.440 in the Jiu Jitsu live nutrition and all that, getting sleep, all these 134 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:26.799 things. Man, just going to that event like man, just energize you 135 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:31.720 like no other. So yeah, I'm totally stoked for, you know, 136 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:35.159 to talk to you and hear some of the things that you know that you 137 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:37.320 could bring to the table on, you know, as being a rep what 138 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:39.320 you got, what you saw. Yeah, it's just like you know it 139 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:43.240 there on the wing. You just do yeah, I'm sorry, what was 140 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:48.279 that? No, it just just being on around winners. That's what you 141 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:52.320 do. You're a victim of your environment if you happen to run yourself with 142 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:56.120 a thousand winners or people who think they're going to win. Obviously not every 143 00:09:56.120 --> 00:09:58.600 single one of a win, but yeah, they have that mentality. You 144 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:03.200 can't help but do the same thing. Right. So it's good. It's 145 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:07.200 now, I mean as a reb like you saw there. I mean there's 146 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:11.080 a few incidents, like, I know we were watching some of the matches 147 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:15.320 and I don't think you were repping this one, but there's a little controversy 148 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:16.960 over in the corner, you know, on some of the some of the 149 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:22.080 mats and stuff like that. You know. So what do you do? 150 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:26.039 I mean, you know where people didn't receive points for like takedowns or you 151 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:30.759 you know. Can you explain how you know takedowns are school ord in ATCC. 152 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:35.240 You know, you know what happens. Absolutely, absolutely so ATCC super 153 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:39.159 hard to score. For example, I grab you, I do a double 154 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:45.200 leg take down right, I hit you. Your Butt or hip hits the 155 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:48.960 Mat right, if you if you hit the mat and you turtle up and 156 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:54.480 you wait a one, two, three count, then then at the the 157 00:10:54.480 --> 00:11:00.039 the takedown is completely negated. So now I can pull guart and there's no 158 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:05.919 points. Okay. So all these people always forget this and what they do 159 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:09.159 is that they get Super Mad with and they'll get the takedown points. It's 160 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:11.639 like, dude, like you didn't get to take it down points. It's 161 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:16.799 like it's clear on the rules. The total positions a big thing. You're 162 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:20.159 passing my guard. You know. I go to turtle and it takes happen 163 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:24.960 from there, and then it could look all sorts of different ways. And 164 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:28.240 you just told completely negate it points. Or, for example, you took 165 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:31.440 me down and I went for us a mission. Submission was compelling and the 166 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:35.679 lasted more than three seconds. It might they get your points depending on where 167 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:39.279 the submit, where the position goes. So it's very intricated. If you 168 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:45.519 don't know the points. Then guys or gals can go and get just mad 169 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:48.279 and frustrated after that and then the person does moving and on the stands where 170 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:54.000 they're doing wins. It's just as easy as that. So it's like go 171 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:56.519 to the rules meeting. I was there on Friday, right on Friday. 172 00:11:56.559 --> 00:12:01.440 We set up Friday evening the there was a lot of people. You know, 173 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:03.440 go for them. There was a lot of people in the rules meeting, 174 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:07.799 but like, Hey, you know, the winners are there. Let 175 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:11.960 me closes up as my dogs marking a Chris. I no worried. Yeah, 176 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:16.960 you know, mean like there's a there's definitely the winners are there. 177 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:20.919 You know, I mean like the handsl guys. Gordon had his big guy 178 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:24.960 there. They got that made the finals. You know I mean yeah, 179 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:28.759 so like I have one of my big guys. They're competing and I'm like 180 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:30.960 why were you that rule meeting? You know? I mean, like it's 181 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:33.080 just like, dude, this is what the winners are doing. They know 182 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:39.360 the rules. Why you not there? So that's what I would recommend to 183 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:43.080 people. Like you want to do trials, go to the rules me like 184 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:46.399 you need to understand that. If I try to he'll hook you for seventeen 185 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:50.559 seconds and then you come up and then you get mad because you don't get 186 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:54.720 two points. Well, it's because the heel hook was deep, it was 187 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:58.440 compelling. It it get it the sweet it's easy as that. You know, 188 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:03.960 I did get there was a couple of resets that I got some hate 189 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:07.919 on, on flow grapp playing, and then there was a couple people that 190 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:11.039 send me their matches online just because of it. You know, they weren't 191 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:13.320 like mad or anything, they were like, Hey, I need to understand 192 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:18.000 this better. You could you give me the points break down? For example, 193 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:24.120 negative points go towards your total score, which is different than I bjf. 194 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:28.159 You know, I betjf. For example, if you, you and 195 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:31.720 me are going to to and they got a negative and I got an advantage, 196 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:35.639 we're literally zero, zero, you know, if you think about it, 197 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:37.480 where even so, then it's a reugh decision. If I go to 198 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:41.919 ADCC and you're me a going and it's two to two and I have a 199 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:46.559 negative, then it's actual that total score which will be two to one to 200 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:48.320 me, so I will lose the match. Okay. So, all right, 201 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:52.039 gut. So guys are mad because, like, well, I only 202 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:54.360 had one negative. I'm like, that's a negative point, not a negative 203 00:13:54.639 --> 00:14:01.639 like advantage. That's the dude, like real manuals, exactly rule meeting. 204 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:09.360 These guys broke it down. Mo Half has a video with Carlos and Peter 205 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:13.879 With it, pretty much like the head judges or like the senior judges. 206 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:18.759 They have a video. Look at that video. It's translated in Portuguese by 207 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:22.879 actually one of our instructors WHO's out those brown bail he translated it, so 208 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:26.159 it's in both languages. So you it's like you can't even say that you 209 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:30.200 don't know the rules. Man. You're right. You can't make now you 210 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:33.320 may. You mentioned like that, like earlier. You're mentioning that they're the 211 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:37.799 rest. Don't the points come from the scoreboard, like the the table and 212 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:41.840 everything like? Yes, so, yes, you as a reb you're not. 213 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:45.679 Are you're not really even scoring a so what are you focused on? 214 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:48.559 What are you looking at? As as the rep on the map, that's 215 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:52.399 a good question. So I'm focused on control. I'm focus on where the 216 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:54.720 match is going. So I'm just the REF. I have nothing to do 217 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:58.840 with dictating where the match goes, right. I'm just managing, I'm just 218 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:03.639 regulating right. So, for example, and then you could you could think 219 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:07.000 about ATCC with like Abi Jan and Tolkino right there, ended up out of 220 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:11.080 bounds in a deep ass. He'll hook. Then we set at them in 221 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:15.879 a deep ass, he'll whereever young guy is like that is acl completely torn. 222 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:20.120 So that's what they want and that's that's why they get paid the big 223 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:24.320 box man that this is. You're going to win a hundred, you know, 224 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:28.879 a hundreds of thousand dollars, but a out of money. So that's 225 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:31.639 what they want. That's what the rules are. They're pretty sad. You 226 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:35.240 sign a waiver for it. So as a ref what I'm doing is managing 227 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:39.960 the combat inside of the ring as best as I can and then when it 228 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:43.960 gets out of it, I gotta let it go until I can reset it 229 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:48.559 in a position where was the same or similar to World War before. You 230 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:54.039 know, okay, it sucks when you're like in a deep triangle and you're 231 00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:58.919 out of bounds because I you can't recreate exactly the same position. Right, 232 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:02.279 I can't. I don't know if it's super deep. I know if you're 233 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:04.919 breathing. I just do my best, right, because I've been doing this 234 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:07.919 for a long time. So be like, okay, so I way see 235 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:11.399 where all the hands are at, where all the feed are at, what's 236 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:14.360 happening, and then we're we set in the middle, you know, but 237 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:17.879 that's what it is. But then that's then I put it on the athletes. 238 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:19.200 I tell them, look, man, this is up to you. 239 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:25.240 You either allowed this position to happen or he earned it or she earned it. 240 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:30.200 So like, don't get mad at us because you let somebody took your 241 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:33.200 back, right, you know, you know I mean. Then you eat 242 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:34.600 somebody took your back, that took your back, you get choked to good 243 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:37.480 choke. We all win, we will lose. So it is what it 244 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:42.360 is. To blame somebody else for for what happened in a match that you 245 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:48.039 were and I think that's always been silly, you know. Yeah, so 246 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:49.919 and so the people, they are at the table, they're the ones actually 247 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:53.879 going rept, you know, for repped and right, okay, all right, 248 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:57.120 and they keep this in mind. There's a judge and there's a couple 249 00:16:57.200 --> 00:17:00.799 refs next to them on the trials. So this three people talking about it 250 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:06.079 for each man, reach man, for for each map. So it's not 251 00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:08.559 like art the you know, be like they could be. You Know Peter, 252 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:12.160 who's a head judge. He could turn around and look at somebody who 253 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:17.240 would like Hannaut, though, who was a very experience a RAF and judge 254 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:19.119 be like a was that a pass? Oh Yeah, I think he did 255 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:22.759 it. And then, okay, you know, they get three points. 256 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:26.559 That's why the point sometimes take a little bit to get on the board. 257 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:30.799 We were rather a little bit name meeting as. That's it. That's good, 258 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:37.119 that's great. Yeah, you know. So if the that's to the 259 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:41.680 lay and sometimes guys get frustrated. But the guys that win, if you 260 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:45.000 notice, they don't think about it. They just keep going forward, right, 261 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:48.440 or the Guy yes, just keep going forward, they keep attacking. 262 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:51.559 They don't even know that points are geared. They're they're hoping their head the 263 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:53.279 points are going to be there. Then when they move forward, and they 264 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:56.240 usually took the back or they pass or something, and they look up and 265 00:17:56.240 --> 00:18:00.799 then you see this cor okay, you know my I'm up and it's a 266 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:03.680 guys that look at the raft like waiting for their points. That I'm like, 267 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:07.000 okay, you obviously don't understand what's happening right now. You know, 268 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:10.359 yea, which is which is fine. You know you chose to do this. 269 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:15.920 It's just sucks to see somebody who spend money on travel, lodging, 270 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:21.279 sign up fee to just lose in the first round and they don't understand what 271 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:23.640 happened. That's frustrating. You know, I can understand that, but I'm 272 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:26.839 like, man like, look, if you read this rules, if you 273 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:30.119 come to the rules meetings, you can understand why, mostly and you don't 274 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:33.960 go for it because, yes, you know. I just one last thing 275 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:37.039 on that. So I noticed also to a lot of the reps and I 276 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:41.559 believe I saw like Youtube do, but like you guys would talk to each 277 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:48.240 individual fighter competitive like right on the mat before the match would start. What 278 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:51.920 was some of the something like you would you were saying to them. Usually 279 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:53.119 the first thing I always sell them be like hey, you know what, 280 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:56.519 shake hands, and I would tell them, okay, do not stop until 281 00:18:56.519 --> 00:19:00.240 I'll tell you to stop. That's the first one. Okay, do not 282 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:03.400 stop until I tell you to stop. So that's the base one. And 283 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:06.480 then the second thing I always tell them is like try to keep it in 284 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:08.400 the middle. Right, it's hard to keep it in the middle. Come 285 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:11.839 on, and did this is this is you know, it's like I think 286 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:15.920 it's like twelve by twelve. These are top of the line grapples in the 287 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:19.519 world. It's tough, you know, but if you can see, even 288 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:25.319 on the finals guys were going out of bounce right. You can may see 289 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:27.480 it if they had that little mat. Yeah, you can make it a 290 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:30.680 hundred and twenty, but on twenty eight guys are still going to be flying 291 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:37.039 off the mats. I mean place blame. The border is part of the 292 00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:41.079 game, unless you have, you know, alimited room and then you can 293 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:45.680 see where the math goes. But it is what it is. It's so 294 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:48.559 that's why a DCC, and I'm not against it either. I mean that's 295 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:52.880 why a DCC allows you to play out of bounce. I had a match 296 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:59.559 which is a John Bones and Mr Harris, great competitly class acts, both 297 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:06.119 of them. They went out of bounce and I told them apparently somebody said 298 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:10.480 stop, which it wasn't me. Right. Somebody saystops on sustup because they 299 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:12.799 were running into people. I never said stopped. So I told them I 300 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:18.279 never said stopped. And bones had a underhood and he was fighting for the 301 00:20:18.319 --> 00:20:23.759 far grip right. So I'm I don't know how deep that underhook is. 302 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:27.720 I don't know how much control he has in the upper hip. I don't 303 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:32.839 want to reset that. So, you know, split second decision. I 304 00:20:32.839 --> 00:20:33.920 told them. I don't know. You know, I told him. I 305 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:37.640 didn't say stopped. So then when I said that, Mr Harris went for 306 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:45.519 a head and armed throw. He missed it. Then Jones got a seat 307 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:48.839 belt from the back. No Hooks, obviously. So then I say stop. 308 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:51.960 Right. We we set it in the middle. That's where we started. 309 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:56.960 So I'm not here to take anybody's, you know, chance to win 310 00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:59.920 or anything like the way. I'm just calling the match how it is. 311 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:03.519 You know. That's it, which I think is the difference between other organizations. 312 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:08.200 Sometimes I feel like and I'm out. The only one to feel like 313 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:15.319 that is that if your your flag is fighting in it and it's a ref 314 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:18.920 decision, guys usually picked their flag right, you know, or their association. 315 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:22.960 So ADCC, you can't do any of that. You know. It's 316 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:30.559 not stop possible. It's impossible. Don't from the judges. I can give 317 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:36.519 anybody an advantageous position or anything like that. There's too many eyes on the 318 00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:38.559 match, you know. That's why I sold top. Yeah, you're just 319 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:42.119 keeping the action moving. Correct, correct, that's all I'm doing. Yeah, 320 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:45.160 and and you know, I kind of felt bad because that my next 321 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:49.000 question was going to be about the Davante match and I looked up the rule, 322 00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:52.119 said just to see if I can find something real quick, and I 323 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:56.880 kid you not only took like ten seconds. And it says if the fighters 324 00:21:56.920 --> 00:22:00.440 go out of this area, talking about the ten by ten meter mats, 325 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:03.480 the referee will restart the fight in the center of the met in the same 326 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:07.160 position they were, went they were when they left the mat, when the 327 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:12.799 referee set stopped. I went back and I watched Duvante a match and as 328 00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:18.000 they were going off the Mat, Davants quarner was saying don't stop, don't 329 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:21.599 go, go, go go. So his coach knew the rule, but 330 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:26.240 I find I was, I was really shocked to to to find out that 331 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:30.799 I've devante didn't know that rule. And because how many times thanks did the 332 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:37.200 TV fly off the table on that for? But the rest actually going, 333 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:41.039 you know, yeah, that was all right out there and Wadle, because 334 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:44.920 you guys kept the action going on the Mat, off the Mat, and 335 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:48.319 you didn't stop and tell you saw something specific. What what was it that 336 00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:55.440 you guys were looking for before you stop the action? Every ABC REF is 337 00:22:55.440 --> 00:23:03.240 a black belt, to my knowledge, AB EVERY ATCC REF is has competed 338 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:07.559 and knows where they're talking about or just being are all around me. You 339 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:11.599 got to the blast is black belt. In there. You have guys that 340 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:14.920 being black girls for twenty years. You know I mean like you have guys 341 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:18.599 that understand where the movements going to. You know, you understand who's their 342 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:25.039 aggressor you understand where the match might go to. It's a lot of anticipation 343 00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:27.680 that goes into Rafing, like okay, I understand that this guy's going to 344 00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:33.559 pull guard. You know so. So we try to find a spot that 345 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:38.160 it's a it's a clean reset. It's a good reset. Not None of 346 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:42.480 us are trying to screwed fighter a or farther be you know, we're trying 347 00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:48.319 to do the right thing. So to think that some people are just getting 348 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:49.559 mad be like hey, you know, I mean like that was a shitty 349 00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:53.440 reset. I'm like, okay, Bro, this is not football, you 350 00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:56.759 know I mean we don't throw in the flag and we go into the booth 351 00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:00.960 review. You know, I mean, like this is like I saw our 352 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:03.759 real life. This is what I think it is. I know this because 353 00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:07.920 I've been doing this for a while. Let's go back to the middle and 354 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:11.039 reset, okay, and there's guys are a sore body. Some guys, 355 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:15.880 you know, getting mad and trust me, our DM's after ATCC for every 356 00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:22.279 reft. Just get late, Bro late, man. So it is what 357 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:26.759 it is. I mean, understand why there's money on bolve. Oh, 358 00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:29.839 definitely. Yeah, and there's a lot of emotion involved too, you know. 359 00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:33.799 So that's unfortunate. You're just doing the best you can out there. 360 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:37.720 You're not you, you know, you're just doing Jiujitsu, you know, 361 00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:41.720 and upside I mentioned a little while ago. Man, you guys kept that 362 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:48.119 action going nonstop. I mean even when regulation time ended, they had like 363 00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:52.440 maybe five seconds, if that, to restart before you guys started over time. 364 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:56.240 But I loved it, man, this by far. You guys have 365 00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:00.519 the greatest rule set in grappling, easily, hands down. I think so 366 00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:03.000 too. Yeah, they're definitely. Yeah, so I'd water like, how 367 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:06.359 did you get him? How'd you get involved in this? Like how did 368 00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:10.680 you become a repper? Like how did you become a rep from being a 369 00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:12.279 Black Belt O. Good, good question. So I think I said on 370 00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:15.240 the last podcast I so when I was a Bluebell I was broke like that 371 00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:19.440 broke. I was like college student like that broke. I Love Jiu Jitsu. 372 00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:23.519 It's like man, this shit's like awesome. And one of my black 373 00:25:23.559 --> 00:25:26.279 belts told me, hey, I can't reff. You want to do it? 374 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:29.359 And I was like, I don't know what to do it and he's 375 00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:30.480 like, well, there's a hundred dollars involved. I was like, I 376 00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:33.799 don't know what it is, but I'm going to do it. You Know 377 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:37.640 Me. So so I jumped in and I did it. I was grappling 378 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:41.839 x. So grappling x was own, still owned, by cord cast and 379 00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:44.880 Shan faller. Back then it was both of them. Now I was just 380 00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:48.279 corey. They gave me a shot man, I mean. And Sean Foller 381 00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:51.359 is one of the guys I look up to a lot. He has an 382 00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:55.960 association down in San Diego and he's giving an opportunity to Ras a lot of 383 00:25:56.000 --> 00:26:00.039 tournaments and just see my work ethic and me and a lot of guys a 384 00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:04.240 lot to him because he gave us his opportunity. So Sean Foller is five 385 00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:11.039 grappling now and he he is one of like the big heads in ACC right. 386 00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:17.079 You Got Mo, who's the name organizer. They got seth, who 387 00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:21.160 does all the productions, who was fight to win. You Got Sean who 388 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:26.039 does a lot of the logistics and in a lot of the back work on 389 00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:29.839 it, and then you have the gentleman, I forgot his name, the 390 00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:34.880 guy that owns the brows clothing that he's helped out a lot. So between 391 00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:38.519 those guys, because it's the big show, those guys have put everything together 392 00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:44.640 and just being thankful enough to be part of the show and and they've been 393 00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:49.920 calling me since trials. I think twenty eighteen or seventeen. I forgot the 394 00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:55.240 trials. We did it at the muscle form in La that was my first 395 00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:57.480 shot. You know, they needed somebody and they're like hey, you want 396 00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:00.480 to do it, and what the big show calls you, you show up, 397 00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:06.720 you know, and then ever since I've been in the call list I've 398 00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:10.880 been thankful enough and fortunate enough to, you know, be part of it. 399 00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:12.759 So that's kind of how I started. I've been resting for ten years. 400 00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:19.200 I've rest and like several handful of organizations, and it's it's fun, 401 00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:25.039 man. Sometimes people get mad about resting on my bed. I learned a 402 00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:29.079 ton, you know. I learned from you and wife. That's that's pretty 403 00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:30.240 cool, you know. I know you could do that anything. This guy 404 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:33.119 did it, but this guy did it. So I'm learning all the time. 405 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:37.559 It's good. That's what's up. That's awesome, man. You know, 406 00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:41.759 ATC has evolved over the year. I mean, like the first ATCC 407 00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:45.599 I watched like live, was the one. I mean, I didn't even 408 00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:49.400 know what ATCC was. I had a buddy who was a purple belt, 409 00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:55.079 toby stately, shout out. He's a black belt now with Cassio warnic up 410 00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:59.160 in Sacramento and he has thought about hey, they're just ID do. He's 411 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:03.920 a cool guy, man. We went, yeah, WE WENT DOWN TO 412 00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:07.240 ATCC back in two thousand and five at the pyramid, and it's great. 413 00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:11.599 That in it was awesome and, like, I mean, I had never 414 00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:15.400 witnessed Jiu Jitsu before that, so it was just like being at the pinnacle, 415 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:22.200 you know. But what you guys did that weekend was I mean, 416 00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:23.920 and it was only trials. Man, that Shit was off the hook. 417 00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:29.200 Dude. I feel like with the all the names that you just mentioned. 418 00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:33.279 You guys are like, it's gonna Sound Super Nerdy, but I'm a comic 419 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:38.279 Book Guy, but you guys are like the avengers all coming together to lift 420 00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:41.599 our sport up to the next level. Dude, I mean I get chills 421 00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:45.440 thinking about what you guys are going to do in September. Bro I can't 422 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:49.200 wait. I cannot wait. I known and those guys, you know, 423 00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:52.559 the guys that mentioned those that's iron man, Captain America, and Shit, 424 00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:56.079 I'm just like the was it called the shields guy? That's just kind of 425 00:28:56.079 --> 00:29:02.319 help them a my like where you are? You didn't men to pick up 426 00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:03.799 something. You want coffee. What do you want me to do? You 427 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:07.720 know? So I'm just like a small part in the in the engine, 428 00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:11.839 and they yeah, I know, toby say we had like a seventeen minute 429 00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:18.519 match at as some no, I want to see. It was eight or 430 00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:22.319 ten minutes. I forgot. It was like maybe seven seven. I am 431 00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:27.359 in a match at regulation time. There was sub only we couldn't catch each 432 00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:32.359 other, so it was Ebi over time and we went to triple over time. 433 00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:37.839 I ended up, Bro I ended up winning by like five seconds something 434 00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:40.559 like that. It was writing time. I ended up winning, but like 435 00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:42.400 five, I said. So I got a lot of respect to that dude. 436 00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:45.119 I know he teaches up there. He's a tough, tough S ob 437 00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:49.960 so I hope he's doing good. So, yeah, man, yeah, 438 00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:55.319 he's doing good, man. So, oh it wad. Speaking of emotions, 439 00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:56.720 we just say, you know, during the trials, during these matches, 440 00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:00.079 before the match, during the match, after the ATCH, emotions running 441 00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:06.000 super high. I cannot count how many times I saw people trying to snag 442 00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:08.519 a collar tie and they were just like slapping the back of people's necks. 443 00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:12.000 And then what? The next guy would try to do it and then before 444 00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:17.720 would escalate. You guys would jump right in and call me calm everybody down. 445 00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:21.319 how You keep the competitors from getting chippy like that, from it to 446 00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:23.519 escalate to the point where they want to start throwing blows like we've seen happen 447 00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:27.559 in other types of tournaments? So no ref and this is one of the 448 00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:32.759 things that Mo emphasizes, no reff is shy, you know. I mean 449 00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:34.640 I used to be shy back in the day when I sward for like grapping 450 00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:37.920 quest you know, I mean like one time I had a Lapella Ma f 451 00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:41.799 I versus Gary Tonin. You know, I had, I think it was 452 00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.680 a Danaharn a one corner and then Busheh in the corner, and they're everybody's 453 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:49.039 yelling at me right because they were all over the time. So yeah, 454 00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:55.279 I mean like super intimidated as a purple bell whatever black. But after that 455 00:30:55.359 --> 00:31:00.559 every single ref is been season like as myself or more so, and we're 456 00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:04.000 not shy to tell you know, I wouldn't been shy to tell Cyborg and 457 00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:07.519 nicky rod to be like Hey, calm just shit down, you know, 458 00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:12.440 rapper. You know, I mean like how many shit down and grapple. 459 00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:17.599 You know, I mean like and then the fins, the guys from Finland. 460 00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:19.519 They don't give a fuck who you are, you know. I mean 461 00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:22.599 they came here for one job and they're not about the fuck it up. 462 00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:26.000 You know, I mean like the it's a lot of trust put on them 463 00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:30.039 and they treat that shit very seriously. And so they they go and they 464 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:36.680 literally to their job and they have no problem checking somebody regardless of who they 465 00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:41.440 are, right. I mean it's tough for like some random black belt to 466 00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:48.200 tell them who they are. I'm sorry, to check themselves, but yeah, 467 00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.680 man, it will tell them. Hey Man, don't be chippy dude, 468 00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:55.839 like let scrapple. You mean, there's nothing wrong with a little couple 469 00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:59.519 slops in a color tide. That's going to happen. That's you will not 470 00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:02.279 stop that. That's going to happen. But when it's spike five, six 471 00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:05.359 of them, seven of them, you know, I'd be like Hey, 472 00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:08.920 man, I you've just been Dick you know. Yeah, like, you 473 00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:12.720 know, you want to call it tie. Somebody snap them and then do 474 00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:15.920 something with it. You know, obviously easy for me to say I'm not 475 00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:21.119 in the finals in ADCC, but that's that's what we're trying to aim for, 476 00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:22.599 you know. Mean we're not trying to aim for a UFC five. 477 00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:24.480 You know, if you want to do a UFC, what do you have? 478 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:28.279 See? This is a dropping match, you know. Yeah, it 479 00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:30.960 sounds really I don't man. Yeah, it's so like, what do you 480 00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:35.079 guys thin as a rep you know, being that it is so stressful. 481 00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:37.680 You're dealing with all the emotions of the competitors, you're dealing with the emotions 482 00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:42.440 of the coaches corner and everything like. Like, what do you do? 483 00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:45.759 Like you to deal with the you know, that stress of being a referee. 484 00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:50.839 I think going it's going back to the fundamentals and understanding what you need 485 00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:52.640 to do and just stay into that and saying truly that you're going to be 486 00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:58.960 fine. It's staying consistent right, like I can't. I can't think wrong 487 00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:01.680 way for one man, because I think this way about the competitors, because 488 00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:07.400 you know the competitors right, like like I know if I had you know 489 00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:13.799 whoever, let's think about any finals. You know, the Big Guy from 490 00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:17.480 from Gordon and Kyle Boom, you know, I know. I know Kyle 491 00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:22.960 was going to pull guard, right, but if kyle wanted to wrestle and 492 00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:28.880 take this guy out of bounce and play the boarders, like I have to 493 00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:35.319 stay with the same you know referee structure the whole time, right, even 494 00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:38.400 if you get surprised. So it just staying true to what you know is 495 00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:44.200 key and not putting up with any lip. Besides, a lot of these 496 00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:47.920 coaches are smart. They teach out of their guys to get ahead on the 497 00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:54.160 resets and they yield things to getting the judges minds because again, this is 498 00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:58.440 this is the Pamility of the sport. This is the highest there is. 499 00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:02.640 Is No, there's nothing higher after this and Nogie. So they all yell 500 00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:07.800 out anything, even if it's not right now. I'm like, you got 501 00:34:07.800 --> 00:34:12.320 to stay on it now. So I mean, what would be the perch? 502 00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.800 What's the what's the benefit of the perk of being a REP IN ADCC? 503 00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:19.679 Okay, so I learned a ton. So I teach though gay my 504 00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:23.079 school. I learned a ton. I came home with like a thousand thoughts 505 00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:27.639 and matches that I had in my head that I'm like, I want to 506 00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:30.000 watch this again and flow grapply. So when and flow grappling, I watch 507 00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:36.800 these matches and learn. Learned a ton. Obviously you get paid. It's 508 00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:39.480 not like a Lamborghini money or anything like that, but you get paid for 509 00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:45.840 your time and they'll complaint. Space Good, but also you learn and you 510 00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:49.760 get the connections and plus all these guys and Gals at work there. They're 511 00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.360 my buddies, their friends. So it's good to see your friends in a 512 00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:55.039 setting like Vegas. You get to go off a drink after words and talk 513 00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:59.239 about it and that's all you do. You Know Me. Afterwards we're done, 514 00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:01.440 we're talking about Jiujitsu at dinner. They a you see this match and 515 00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:05.960 you shit that match. Hey, do you see this, for example, 516 00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:10.400 and we're just talking about he'll hook defense. So what were the two big 517 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:15.639 heel hook difference is that we saw a lot of back stepping and then Bolo 518 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:20.960 defense. So guess what I'm doing all week at the gym? I'm just 519 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:24.000 googling this stuff and learning in myself, you know, because you guys are 520 00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:29.719 these guys and gals are so good at it, you know. So those 521 00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:34.599 are there's are definitely the perks after that and the guys from brows or really 522 00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:39.320 cool. We got a little discounted gear and you get some extra gear from 523 00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:44.119 the organizer. So no complaints, they take care of you, man, 524 00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:47.920 it's a good time. Yeah, definitely, definitely. Yeah, I did 525 00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:52.760 that being out there. Man, he was like on that Breaki's band it. 526 00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:55.320 You know, some of these ATC see, you know, turns before 527 00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:59.280 he's being know, been in Jiujitsu a lot longer than I have, but 528 00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:01.719 you know this. This one of band was my first one to be to 529 00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:06.159 be a part of it. Man, I can't tell you what that meant 530 00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:09.000 to me to be there and see everyone, see the legends, you know, 531 00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:13.239 competing and you know, seeing people come up. Then I think the 532 00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:17.280 thing that stuck with me the most was like that brotherhood and they like the 533 00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:22.960 team commarderie, like when people would win, you saw their teams like legit 534 00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:27.760 happy for them, you know, and I can't tell you how like how 535 00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:34.400 motivated it has got me. Yeah, yeah, and Lisa, Lisa Pics 536 00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:40.519 on instagram. She's one of the official photographers. She took some really candid 537 00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:45.679 pictures. I like to beat team and and Tim Planet and some of the 538 00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:49.519 people which I was like thankful I got tagged on because I was like right 539 00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:52.679 there and I was like looking at my man, that's awesome picture. Imagine 540 00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:57.280 grinding what a guy or Gal for that ten years and they go in, 541 00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:00.000 they win ADCC in front of you and your our corner. I'll happy or 542 00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:04.880 stoked you're going to be for them and for yourself, I mean, I 543 00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:07.599 mean your stuff is your as your team's going to be tough, you know, 544 00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:12.840 and that's awesome to see. Me and you see guy like Keith Corey 545 00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:15.840 and come in and he's on a ton of trials and always came short and 546 00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:20.559 I don't know if this was his fifth or something, and he comes in 547 00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:25.039 and it just wins it against Justin there, who was them fire the whole 548 00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:30.039 time. I can learn. Yeah, hospital, he seemed like to you 549 00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:32.159 guys in the hospital. I mean Grippa was done, dude. I saw 550 00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:36.519 him afterwards. He couldn't do his last match. He had eyes on his 551 00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:40.159 leg like the guy's a beast. To like joannet, GRIPP was a legend, 552 00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:45.159 honestly my e. He's been around as a black belt competing and winning 553 00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:47.760 shit since I was like a Bluebell. So to go on there and take 554 00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:52.559 out a vetter and take him out and such a fashion and have such an 555 00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:59.360 emotional fight, I mean these guys are going places. They're amazing, you 556 00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:05.840 know. Well, at one, speaking of Josh and the and the subs 557 00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:10.800 pee put on, I mean they're so many moments from that, from the 558 00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:15.760 trials that stood out in my mind. What's the like, what the fuck 559 00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:20.039 happened on that? What was what the fuck moment of yours that stood out 560 00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:24.320 from this last weekend's trials, or yeah, two weekends ago actually. And 561 00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:30.039 so the few moments that I was just like, okay, let's just be 562 00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:37.159 real, Jay Rod buffy choke on call being what was is saying right. 563 00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:38.760 I mean that was one of those things that you're like, there's no way 564 00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:42.559 he's going to pull that off. There's no way, there's no way. 565 00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:45.280 And I knew this guy was good at the buggy choke because I roughed his 566 00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:51.519 east coast trials and he put the in. He got a guy to get 567 00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:54.159 the Q, which is really good. Last thing, three men from from 568 00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:59.880 check man, really good guy. He slammed them a couple times and he 569 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.079 had the cute out of it because he was slamming them on the buggy. 570 00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:06.400 So I knew his buggy was insane, but I didn't know he's going to 571 00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:13.000 win the finals ADCC trials with the buggy. That was insane. I yeah, 572 00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:17.840 so I say that's got to be my first one. And then and 573 00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:27.199 then I josh's narrows with the with the nasty knee bar back take from on 574 00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:30.480 the semi finals. Those were my two favorite and I you know, it's 575 00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:35.760 kind of cheesy to say that the finals, but it's still like this are 576 00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:43.039 the top dogs, you know, like they did amazing work and and you 577 00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:47.880 can see its liberal context. The Ninety Nine on the ninety nine are Dylla. 578 00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:53.559 That had to be at least his third of four trial at least and 579 00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:58.840 he lost to, I think fouler, my basic far. I think he 580 00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:05.360 lost to one of the guys from San Diego for his name, and I 581 00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:08.440 think he beat that guy to get to the finals or to get to semi 582 00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:15.519 finals. So to see guys come back and keep doing trials and being succesful 583 00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:17.960 at it, that shows you that they've been changing their game, that getting 584 00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:22.599 better. Same thing would like Hanson and the East Coast Trials, the Plus 585 00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:27.639 Ninety nine guy. He got choked out by dicky Rod East Coast Trials and 586 00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:31.599 now he wins East Coast. So that shows you the pecking order and how 587 00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:37.239 these guys change up the game and they're in it and they're just continue to 588 00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:42.280 improve and it's awesome to watch. You know. Yeah, man, that 589 00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:45.039 can mean. Yeah, I like you know. So I mean being at 590 00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:47.599 you know, an ATCC REP, you being you've been doing it for a 591 00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:52.519 long time and anything you have unique access to both like the coaches and the 592 00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:57.079 athletes and everything. What's out of Shit. You've been a Rep. what's 593 00:40:57.159 --> 00:41:01.320 that your favorite moment that stands out in your mind? My family in the 594 00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:07.320 stands out of mind. That's a good question. Not ADCC world just trials, 595 00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:13.440 anything, traveling, thing, hanging out, seeing them, to to 596 00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:19.119 have so many that I was just like wow, I mean I so I 597 00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:23.039 saw Gordon versus Hulk live, like I was right down on the mats, 598 00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:27.159 ran it, right next to it, and that was a because because I 599 00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:30.960 think I hope did a really, really good job the no points part and 600 00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:37.679 then Gordon just understood the rules so much better and I think hope didn't want 601 00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:40.239 to give up points and Gordon took advantage of it end up taking his back. 602 00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:43.719 I think that was one of those like matches that I'm like, maybe 603 00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:49.159 this is a really athletic technical guys just going at it, because I was 604 00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:52.639 way more exciting than you know, hand like Gordon and Bushes Sha like, 605 00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:57.800 you know like and then when Gordon try to street Bishech out. I was 606 00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:02.679 amazing and I mean I think that's my favorite part. I guess answer that 607 00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:09.639 question has been from from worlds and the last world's because Gordon and Hulk and 608 00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:15.920 then Andre Versus Philippe, because I'm dre was on fire man. He kept 609 00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:20.199 pushing him into those stables. I was next to the tables. That was 610 00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:22.039 not that was not like a regular push it's not like I just push you. 611 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:25.360 That was like get you know, I'm trying to fuck you up, 612 00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:30.280 push you know. This is did look like he was trying to throw through 613 00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:34.320 a wall. Yeah, Oh man, man, that was wild, just 614 00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:37.800 to be there and just feel the energy. That was my favorite, one 615 00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:43.719 hundred percent. I'll tell you what's my least favorite. Setting up those fucking 616 00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:50.079 matts last weekend, two weeks ago, you got a hundred of plus match 617 00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:53.920 and you gotta make Jesus. Yeah, well, my cut will roll up 618 00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:58.400 mats for a little while and I was like Nah, dog, each piece, 619 00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:01.760 each one is a meece. Yeah, and literally right after I said 620 00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:05.679 that, you all of a sudden you saw some of the refs like adjusting 621 00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:07.840 some of the the mat pieces. Are Like, Oh shit, yeah, 622 00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:14.000 wow, we put that bitches up and we put this bitches back. So, 623 00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:17.239 Dan, not so on part of it. You know, whatever you 624 00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:20.880 do, it is just like you got enough people that to do it, 625 00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:22.800 which is not like it's nots like two of US doing and there's, you 626 00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:27.679 know, thirty people doing it. But still you gotta eat, you gotta 627 00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:30.800 put them right. And then, even though if you put him as tight 628 00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:35.719 as you can, these guys again. They're they're fighting all over the place, 629 00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:37.960 so they're going to open up and you do your best to put them 630 00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:40.760 together. As you know, I try to do my best to like I 631 00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:44.280 have these put the pinkies on it and break it, you know, and 632 00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:49.199 Shit like that. But that's my least favorite but it's part of the job. 633 00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:52.679 It is what it is. But yeah, I hope that the answer 634 00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:58.559 that question. Now I got kind of a off the line question, but 635 00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:02.519 something that my cousin I we noticed and we talked about at the thing like 636 00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:07.159 day to act you guys, when you guys were going into like the finals 637 00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:08.719 and everything in the rest are kind of most of the rest were kind of 638 00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:14.199 done. Did you guys all plan to go get pizza at the same time? 639 00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:17.800 Because we were standing there and it seemed like people being at the pizza 640 00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:22.960 came by and we could just smell it from there the audience. So we 641 00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:27.280 ended up happening. They too was the guy that was supposed to go get 642 00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:30.760 lunch for all of us couldn't do it because we were so busy and next 643 00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:35.159 you know it was like two o'clock, then three o'clock and then four o'clock, 644 00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:37.800 and that point was like, what's the point of fucking getting these guys 645 00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:42.039 lunch? So they took care of us later. But then every single ref 646 00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:45.000 when they got downe they were like, I'm fucking starving, you know, 647 00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:47.239 and most rest went out the night before and had a couple drinks. So 648 00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:52.119 like they're like probably, like I'll do I'm really, really hungry, and 649 00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:55.960 they all went to go get pizza at the same time. So it was 650 00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:01.039 funny. Yeah, we we're play Melion as it went by. Yeah, 651 00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:06.280 yeah, but it was because, unfortunately, we we didn't eat lunch on 652 00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:09.760 Sunday because we're so busy, right, and we're trying to get it done 653 00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:14.360 and be on time, which, by the way, think about a thousand 654 00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:17.559 competitors, right, and try and not get out in two days. And 655 00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:22.440 we did it. That was a lot of my I think it was something 656 00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:25.159 like six hundred and some matches total. I think that's what it was. 657 00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:30.079 Something like that. Yeah, man, me, and we're all work together 658 00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:35.039 to do it. It's pretty, pretty freaking cool. Now, you guys, 659 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.639 I'm sorry, what are you going to be at September's tournament to or 660 00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:43.320 you yet it? Yeah, okay, no, no, I'll be there 661 00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:46.559 Wednesday to help set up. Most likely I'll be there all over this Sunday. 662 00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:49.960 I'll probably Monday. It's going to be probably the longest time. I 663 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:53.159 was saying Vegas, but yeah, okay. So you'll be doing like the 664 00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:59.519 open Matt. You'll be repping the Open Matt and the tournament to or no? 665 00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:04.599 No, I'll be probably roughing to open and then I'll be helping either 666 00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:10.639 a table or just coordinating. Basic basically coordinating is like hey, for example, 667 00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:17.199 Boshershaw Uttenberg on the whole, on deck is, I don't know, 668 00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:22.960 to other heavyweights and Nikki Rod and somebody else. So I'm my job will 669 00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:25.440 be to like just tell them where to be so they can be ready, 670 00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:30.320 because the matches will be going, going and going and man, this is 671 00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:34.480 you know, I think Thomas and Mac holds like thinking than people some shit 672 00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:38.039 like that. So they're going to be on asses to keep everything going and 673 00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:43.480 keep people engage. And it's no joke, you know. I mean we 674 00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:49.320 did it and not Ahe I'm in nineteen and that was stressful for everybody working. 675 00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:52.519 So this, I'm sum's going to be even more stressful. But, 676 00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:57.760 but, but everybody's excited about it. And we're in a couple group taxes 677 00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:04.639 and everybody just shares means and stuff. It's cool. You know, I 678 00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:07.960 have no doubt that you guys are going to run it as you I mean, 679 00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:12.880 if you guys were stressed, we couldn't even tell because this show just 680 00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:17.559 ran flawlessly. The matches were flawless, the action was flawless. As soon 681 00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:22.760 as one math stopped, the next one started. It was nonstop action and 682 00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:25.280 why I'll thank you so much, brother. I don't have any more questions 683 00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:29.079 for you, Cuz do you have any more questions for it? No, 684 00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:31.400 man, I but thank you so much for coming on. Really appreciate you 685 00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:36.119 taking some time and and speaking with us and kind of just giving a little 686 00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:38.280 insight. I know for me, you know, there's a lot newer than 687 00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:43.679 my cousin, you know, in Jiu Jitsu and the whole atcc and everything. 688 00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:45.599 It really help you know hearing some of these things and you know what 689 00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:49.880 the key points where, man. So I really appreciate you taking time and 690 00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:52.679 talking with us. Man. Absolutely, thank you for guys, for having 691 00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:57.199 it was good seeing you guys. I love would you guys do? It's 692 00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:00.320 awesome. I appreciated being here thank you. Thank you, Hey, for 693 00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:04.440 sure, and we're going to have to catch up soon, man. COFFEES, 694 00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:07.840 Beers, food, tacos on me, Bro for sure, before September. 695 00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:12.639 Come try ay for sure, man. I'm coming, I'm coming. 696 00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:15.039 I'm going for SH IM train, sure, Edward, any time, my 697 00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:19.800 brother. Thank you so much for taking time out of your day to answer 698 00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:22.840 all of our Retardo questions. Thank you for giving us a grim behind the 699 00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:27.920 ATCC curtain. Is there anyone you want to thank or mentioned before we wrap 700 00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:31.239 this episode up? Just, you know, thankful for yeah, obviously do. 701 00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:36.440 Just to a PMA, I thank for all those guys and guys and 702 00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:39.039 Gals, and same thing with a five dropping my boy sean foller. You 703 00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:43.320 know, he's the one that actually got me in to where I'm out doing, 704 00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:45.280 you know, doing the ref in the big shows. So yeah, 705 00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:50.039 just thankful for all my the community. Thank for you, guys. I 706 00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:55.679 mean this community is awesome. I mean to come from nothing and do some 707 00:48:55.760 --> 00:49:00.079 cool stuff like this is awesome. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about, 708 00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:02.000 man. You make in a difference at thank you for elevating our sport, 709 00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:06.360 brother, because anything you want to add now, man, like I said, 710 00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:07.559 I'm just super happy to be here and be a part of this. 711 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:12.280 Man. Yeah, well, that's a rap jiujit deals. One more time, 712 00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:15.400 Ed Ward, though. Thank you so much. We cannot wait for 713 00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:17.320 September. We're gonna have to try to lenk up again. Man, that's 714 00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:21.679 a rapture deals. We hope he enjoyed the interview as much as we did. 715 00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:23.960 UN till next time and keep rolling and trading and we hope to hear 716 00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:30.599 from you soon. Peace, peace. This is the divation